Ultramarathon Daily News, Mon, Sep 21

Oh yeah, Kilian, but can you do this???

This fella was running a 60 miler in the UK, heard a kid screaming, jumped in the ocean and saved him from drowning. Drank his Coke, cried a lot, and finished the race. Ta-da!

NUC: Start your week off with this essay about loving each other.

Then try to apply the love theory to the asshats who do this type of stuff.

If every ultramarathon had a video like this one for Javelina Jundred, I’d sign up for every race.

My 6yo daughter isn’t really into Disney so I can’t confirm many of these, but this list matches Disney princesses with what would be their favorite beers. Elsa drinks Coors Light?

Here’s Justin’s excellent breakdown of MUT results from this weekend.

Check out Camille Herron’s last month of running leading up to her 100k world champs win. Hint, she averages 10 runs/week.

I’m a big fan of Magness, but this “push through the grind” theory seems like it’d really set up people for injury.

The London Sports Institute is looking for some guinea pigs for a cryotherapy study and they need endurance runners. I’d sign up the Angry Jogger, but only if they’d film the mayhem that would certainly ensue. Find out more here.

I’m not sure what Chris Vargo’s older brother (right?) is saying in Italian, but the video shows how tough a race TdG really is. Victor Ballesteros is one of the toughest runners I know, he DNFed last week and called it the toughest race in the world.

Garrett’s excellent report from Tahoe 200. Glad you liked the mister!

How is your posture when you run? Have you tried to improve it?

Spaff wipes out on a wet bridge and takes a DNF on his comeback race. Boooooo!

One massive fartlek round with Dom Grossman.

10 Responses to "Ultramarathon Daily News, Mon, Sep 21"

Rich says:

September 21, 2015 at 7:34 am

Although Magness doesn’t explicitly mention it in his post, he’s not talking about inexperienced runners. IMO, he’s referring to top level high schoolers and college runners looking to make a significant breakthrough. This breakthrough is often preceded by a significant jump in training volume when the runner starts regularly adding in doubles and lengthens his daily runs. On my college team, for instance, this usually came in the summer between freshman and sophomore year when athletes would jump their weekly training from 60-70mpw to 85-110mpw. So while Magness’s “theory” may sound a bit aggressive, it is a tried and true method that most former college runners have experienced.

Also, Magness is intelligent enough to not prescribe this type of grind training to novice and intermediate level runners.Reference

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1. Alex says:
  
  September 21, 2015 at 8:06 am
  
  Magness basically prefaces his book with a caveat that his intended audience is the self-coached sub-elite. Those who might, hypothetically, have an Olympic Trials Qualifier in them, but don’t have the times/pedigree to run full-time. A lot of what’s there is still useful for the rest of us, but yeah, he’s not usually targeting recreational runners, for all that many of us enjoy his work.
  
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Paul says:

September 21, 2015 at 8:21 am

I believe she averaged over 100 mpw for the last 9 years.Reference

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1. Camille says:
  
  September 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm
  
  Exactly! I usually get in 12-13 runs/wk (not 10 sessions). My average has dropped because I’ve had a down week the past week! It’s what I’ve done for 9 years, averaging over 100 mpw, that fueled my 100K performance.
  
  Regarding what Steve Magness is saying, Bill Squires called it the “ebb and flow” of training. You stress the body, it’s tired, you run slower to recover, and then a few days (or 7-10 days later) you’re flowing again. Personally, I run every day/twice a day, and my way of “back off” is doing a single run when my body says it’s tired. Otherwise, I’m running twice a day every day.
  
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  1. Camille says:
    
    September 21, 2015 at 7:24 pm
    
    Here’s an article about Bill Squires training:
    http://www.runmichigan.com/columns/dougkurtis/dougcolumn_234.shtml
    
    In my longtime discussions with Patti Dillon (of course coached by Bill), she described it as being like a wave– building and then dissipating, over and over again. That’s the best way of metaphorically describing what happens to the body. The biology is described in great detail in Science of Winning. Steve is trying to say you should be consistent and only truly “rest” when you’re overly tired. You can keep up the consistency by simply running slower to recover better.
    
    “Rest or regeneration is the most essential part of training for inducing optimal biological adaptations.”– Jan Olbrecht in “Science of Winning”
    
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eric schranz says:

September 21, 2015 at 8:26 am

Of course he’s targeting his message to elites and sub-elites, but they get injured too, right?

While I totally understand the need to push through to the next limit, he skips over the “listen to your body” axiom that’s vital to athletic success.Reference

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1. Alex says:
  
  September 21, 2015 at 9:04 am
  
  They get hurt, of course. But elite performance doesn’t come without coming very close to that edge. It’s a gambit, for sure. And one most people won’t and shouldn’t make. But it’s worth noting that the elite East African marathoners are doing 22 mile runs at faster than marathon pace, and other, similarly insane training. You probably have to risk getting hurt to reach your potential. For some, it’s worth it. For others, it’s not.
  
  I also think it’s important to remember that Magness is an evidence based guy, who questions a lot of coaching dogma. “Listen to your body” is oft-repeated, but he’s the type to look at that and wonder if it’s actually right advice, in all cases.
  
  I’m not saying he’s right. But then, I don’t think he’s saying he’s right, even. He’s wondering if there’s a better way forward, which innovative coaches must.
  
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Cb says:

September 21, 2015 at 11:28 am

Pretty sure this is about a base training period when one stresses their body with increasing volume. There is a big difference between pushing through fatigue as he advocates and pushing through an injury. I have experienced what he describes during most of my base build blocks, this isn’t really new or unconventional ideology here. Listening to you body is knowing when you’ve crossed over from simple fatigue to overtraing. If you feel good and fresh on all you runs you don’t train hard enough to maximize you potential.Reference

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nedbarrett says:

September 21, 2015 at 2:50 pm

I’m going with Magness, at least a little: I’ve done it as a 20-something wannabe and a 50+ mid packer. When I increase volume, usually by adding running days (or when younger by adding a second daily run), I feel like crap for a couple of weeks until one day just feeling better. I have no explanation for it, but read something about it in the early 90s, too.

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Michael A. Jimenez says:

September 22, 2015 at 11:28 am

That was great!Reference

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