Ultramarathon Daily News | Tue, June 27

Koop: Seven steps to recovering after 100 miles.

Avery Collins and Sabrina Stanley came close to setting the unofficial “couples FKT” at Western States.

Avery Collins (6th OA in 17:37:11) and Sabrina Stanley (3rd in 20:11:41) for combined time of 37:48:52.
1998: Ann Trason (4th OA in 18:46:16 and Carl Andersen (5th in 18:53:48) for a combined time of 37:08:04.

What’s another fast 100 mile couple out there who could make a crack at it?

Wyatt’s take on Jim’s performance at Western. Agreed.

Women’s race halted to allow for men’s race to go by. The ladies were going too slow.

Ack! Runner gets crazy pus-filled sacs on legs from sunburn (or a rash?) during an ultramarathon in England. 30 C is only 86 F, so sun doesn’t seem likely. Of course, my mind goes immediately to: But did she pop them?

The 12 year old boy in me had to click this: How to do MASSIVE bunny hops.

Short news day today: Writing project, family obligations, and two new interview tomorrow. Stay tuned.

27 Responses to "Ultramarathon Daily News | Tue, June 27"

Doug says:

June 27, 2017 at 7:25 am

it takes a lot to gross me out, but i almost just puked when i scrolled down and saw those thingsReference

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SingletrackGuy says:

June 27, 2017 at 7:27 am

I’m fascinated by everybody’s takes on Walmsley. I personally like the guy and think the sport needs some more personality. I also think that people need to be a little more understanding, it seems clear to me he needs a bit of an edge to compete the way he wants. And he’s just really saying what most top runners are thinking in their heads anyway. I know if I were elite I’d be trying to drop the s*** out of people and bury them. In the nicest way possible of course lol

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R.C says:

June 27, 2017 at 7:35 am

Maybe Killian Jornet and Emilie Forsberg would be able to run a fast combined time? Although I am not sure in WS100. Oh and Chris and Alicia Vargo. But I’m not sure if they like that distance.

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Tim Tollefson says:

June 27, 2017 at 7:35 am

Wyatt writes a nice piece. I think what strikes a nerve with a lot of people, aside from the brash, pre-race hype, is that this outcome was very predictable given the forecasted conditions.

Part of the mental edge he speaks of with world class athletes, is the ability to assess the scene at hand, and adjust accordingly. In Alex Honnold’s first El Capitan free solo last November, he turned back because, “conditions did not feel right”.Reference

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1. SingletrackGuy says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 8:01 am
  
  Do you think that’s simply his fairly recent heavy college track and xc experience? When he talks about race strategy it sounds like he’s approaching it like he’s trying to hit a track 10k time or something like that. would explain why he has so far been so much more successful at 50m and other “shorter” distances. Or you think that’s just his personality to go for it?
  
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  1. Ben says:
    
    June 27, 2017 at 10:09 am
    
    Could be a bit of that. Or it could be that he thinks the ‘rules’ don’t apply to him in a certain sense. He believes he is special or above said ‘rules’. The backstory that is emerging about his time at the Air Force Academy speaks to this somewhat one could argue.
    
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  2. KS Petty says:
    
    June 27, 2017 at 10:15 am
    
    In his interview with Eric last year, Jim spoke about miles in terms of splits. He does seem to race ultras on a foundation comprised of that approach. I was trained to run miles per week, then was influenced by folks who ran for time. When I tried to “run for two hours,” I still circled the car until my GPS hit the next mile. I have to wonder how much of that sticks to Jim–or bubbles up through the stress he induces–over the course of 100.
    
    I think he competes very differently, and the battle with himself washes over others in competition. Certain voices are assailing him based on a standard he must abide by to be legit. I’ve run with Jim, and I think he’s generally misunderstood. These WS experiences only exacerbate the judgment. I don’t agree with him, but I don’t fault him. A lot of the criticism, unfortunately, is based on petty criticism or imagined standards.
    
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2. John Onate says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 9:25 am
  
  Tim, great insight….no wonder you were so successful at UTMB. I was working medical when I saw you run through, did you pace Alex?
  
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  1. Tim Tollefson says:
    
    June 27, 2017 at 7:12 pm
    
    I did. Final 38. Only planned on going untill green gate, based on my lack of fitness, but he didn’t have another pacer and was starting to show signs that made me fear for him continuing solo. Couldn’t with good conscience leave him. Ended up such an amazing experience to witness firsthand him put together another great performance. Guy is such a humble yet fierce runner!
    
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    1. eric schranz says:
      
      June 27, 2017 at 7:19 pm
      
      You’re awesome Tim. I didn’t realize you weren’t planning on going all the way. Nice work!
      
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3. Ben says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 10:15 am
  
  Well said Tim.
  Jim is world class at 100k and below. He’s not even close to world class yet at 100m. I’m sure he will figure out the 100m distance at some point if he smartly employs a more conservative approach. However, the clock is ticking as I don’t believe his psyche, or anyone’s for that matter, can continue to handle drops in really big races after such a brash build-up. That has to take a lot out of you mentally and make you question your approach.
  
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  1. Andrew says:
    
    June 27, 2017 at 10:22 am
    
    Not even close to world class at 100m?? He was one wrong turn away from a Western States course record last year.
    
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    1. Nick says:
      
      June 27, 2017 at 1:14 pm
      
      how many times will it need to be said that the wrong turn is in great part the result of poor race management (exhaustion in particular)?
      
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Chris M. says:

June 27, 2017 at 7:56 am

If my math is right, Ann/Carl’s time should be 37:40:04.

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Peter Andersson says:

June 27, 2017 at 8:28 am

There goes my theory about why it’s called “singletrack”…Reference

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Graeme says:

June 27, 2017 at 8:28 am

I think the blisters were due to giant hogweed. From memory it grows mainly by water (in the uk) and contact with the sap can cause blisters like this…although this does seem to be an extreme example!

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1. Graeme says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 9:13 am
  
  Oops…just read the article (I saw a link to another on an FB site so knew the story)…they did mention hogweed in the article, so nothing new from me….serves me right for posting before reading and assuming it was the same article!
  
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John Onate says:

June 27, 2017 at 9:23 am

Is there an coupled FKT for the widest gap in finishing times 🤣

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doug says:

June 27, 2017 at 10:19 am

I like Walmsley a lot; it’s great to see that bold attitude and I love to see a guy with his talent go out and put it all on the line aggressively. He’s a beast and he has a long time ahead to leave his mark on the sport. As for this year’s Western.. I honestly feel he cheated himself by not finishing the race. Would’ve earned a lot of respect if he toughed out the finish. Took a lot of cohones to go out as fast as he did. He risked hitting the wall and he did. However, there are people that would love to run that race. IMO he shortchanged himself and the race by dropping. Finish what you started my man, no shame in not setting a CR in scorching heat.

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Daniel says:

June 27, 2017 at 10:39 am

Why can’t you get a bad sunburn at 86 F? If you are in direct sun for hours this is very likely. It is not necessarily a function of air temperature.Reference

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Duke Hong says:

June 27, 2017 at 10:46 am

Does anyone think that Jim would not have had stomach issues if he’d gone slower?Reference

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1. Nick says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 1:17 pm
  
  it’s highly likely he wouldn’t have, although it’s a combination of factors, among which one might cite having had too many drinks…
  
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2. Lucy says:
  
  June 27, 2017 at 6:56 pm
  
  From having crewed on Saturday/Sunday, many many runners were having stomach issues. There was just something about the weather/trail conditions that day that seemed to set everyone off – even those who typically don’t have a problem with intake. We were left scrambling to find things that our runners *could* deal with.
  
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Trevor says:

June 27, 2017 at 11:04 am

Wyatt’s piece is a better, more measured and mature response to the Walmsley show. I think that mix of emotions is what everyone who cares about ultrarunning is feeling and most of all feels bad for him and the way it went down– how we respond to that letdown and hype maybe says more about us than it says about Jim, that’s for sure. anyways really excited and curious to see how UTMB goes and this sport is all about learning how to bounce back from failures and misfires…

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Jared Scray says:

June 27, 2017 at 1:46 pm

Nice balanced piece for sure from Wyatt. One sincere question I do have is regarding his comment that elites “have a huge mental edge, and not just physical talents”. Is that really true? I’m not elite so I don’t know. I agree that elites have to be mentally tough but do they actually suffer more or endure more in an ultra or is the ability to dig deep and endure and the suffering relative to the physical talents?

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Sunaad says:

June 27, 2017 at 2:15 pm

Here’s an (old, but) awesome video of Ryan Sandes about the “Beauty of the Irrational”. Jim Walmsley and Ryan Sandes are both awesome! They aren’t that different when it comes to being irrational AND sharing a passion for a canyon! Huge congrats to Ryan for the win, and hoping to see Walmsley get the CR some day! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMsf23yBmo&t=23s

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Mike says:

June 27, 2017 at 4:03 pm

Am I the only one enjoying the bunny hops?!?!

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